Koran-Burning: Good Idea Or Bad?


Guess it’s time for this little ol’ blog to weigh in on the whole Koran-burning things, which, despite some of conservatism’s leading folks being against it, is still going on, apparently.

Now, I don’t think of myself as one of the leaders of conservatism, but I do come at this from the perspective of someone who’s spoken from behind the pulpit on numerous occasions, and there’s one point I’d like to make about this whole thing.

The person leading this effort is a Christian minister, but I think he’s forgotten one of the primary rules of being a minister: Your goal should be to bring people in, not chase them away. Burning someone’s holy book isn’t going to get them to come to Christ, it’s likely to drive them even further away. The best way to get converts is to show them the love and grace that Christ showed us.

Not to mention that we should leave the book burning to those who seem unable to show tolerance to other religions… like, say, Muslims… the stories of Muslim oppression of Christians, Jews, and other religions, even Buddhism, are widespread and well known.

So, from one Christian to another, and one preacher to another (even if I’m not ordained as a minister yet), I urge Pastor Terry Jones to take a deep breath and a big step back from the same sort of tactics that those he denounces use.

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Conservative Wanderer is currently Editor-in-Chief of That's Freedom You Hear! That means anything that goes wrong can be blamed on him. Previously he was a contributor to the PJ Tatler.

11 responses to “Koran-Burning: Good Idea Or Bad?”

  1. deliaangel says :

    This should have been a purely NON-CHRISTIAN/NON-Religion movement. It should have been about showing that just because we ‘can’ doesn’t mean we ‘should’ (i.e. the victory mosque in NY). I think this is a GOOD idea but badly handled.

    I’d burn my bra, my thong, my bible and the fucking Koran right now without compunction.

    Some people just don’t ‘get it’.

    • PhyCon says :

      True, oh winged one. There are times to hold to ideals and then there are times to force those ideals. Unfortunately, I don’t think this qualifies as a forceable time. The GZ Mosque though, should be forced elsewhere. As CW already noted, there is ALREADY a mosque within the area of GZ. Why is there a need for another?

  2. Natassia says :

    Do you think Christ was concerned with bringing the Pharisees in when he soundly denounced their false teachings and hypocritical practices?

    Sure, these Dove Outreach folks could probably use a lesson in temperence, but I think we’ve moved past the point of trying to attract converts. Muslims are coming to American in droves, and they are not doing so with the intention of converting from the religion of death because they’ve finally tasted freedom. Also, too many prisoners are joining Islam, and the mujahideen-sympathizers are only growing in numbers.

    I think sometimes we have to make a choice between boldly standing up against something that is wrong and evil or sitting quietly on the sidelines for fear of seeming “unChristian” as a pervasive evil begins to spread its creeping fingers throughout Western civilization.

    • Conservative Wanderer says :

      The Pharisees were members of his own religion (Judaism… Christianity didn’t exist until He was crucified), and He was responding to their messing up the tenets of that religion.

      Islam is a completely different religion, so the manner of dealing with it should be different.

      • Natassia says :

        And Muslims claim (with the aid of helpful Dhimmis like the Roman Catholic Church) to be an Abrahamic faith, and claim to follow the religion of Jesus (‘Isa). They claim that he is one of their beloved prophets.

        And the Pharisees claimed to be adhering to the Jewish faith, and yet they denied that Jesus is the Messiah.

        When a false prophet comes along preaching a false gospel (as Muhammad did and the imams continue to do), Christians should be very clear about denouncing such false teachings.

        How do the Muslim imams differ from the Pharisees in their false teachings and leading people astray?

        Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”

      • PhyCon says :

        Natassia,

        Respectfully, I must disagree with you regarding “And Muslims claim (with the aid of helpful Dhimmis like the Roman Catholic Church) to be an Abrahamic faith, and claim to follow the religion of Jesus (‘Isa). They claim that he is one of their beloved prophets.” on several levels.

        1) I am RC and most definitely not a Dhimmi…neither is the Church.

        2) Jesus is a MINOR prophet of Islam (note, Muslims are equal with Jews in the fact they don’t believe their Messiah has shown up yet…that’s reserved for Shiites and the 12th Imam…don’t know what Sunnis believe…plus there are almost as many splinters from Islam as there are in Christianity so there are even more potential messianic beliefs than I care to contemplate.

        3) Islam is indeed an Abrahamic faith…but only in about the same degree as the LDS (Mormons) are a Christian faith. Do you know where “Arabs” (Mohommedan and hence muslims) derived from in the Biblical sense? Think “Ismail” and who was his father.

        Other than those few quibbles, your posts have good points. TOTO’s (The One True Obama – and he wonders why people talk about him like a dog? We’ve been doing that for a very long time here :D) big push to “get in their faces” is the equivalent of what you are suggesting. I don’t have all that much of a problem with it in this case…just don’t be surprised when the attacks happen and the perps claim “self defense”…and then WIN in our court system.

        Actually burning the Koran is, IMHO, a very bad idea. Talking about burning the Koran is…a very GOOD idea. As well as everything else muslims consider taboo. Depictions of Mohommed…inappropriate sharia dress…womens’ rights…etc. Showing the examples of intolerance to those who aren’t muslim but support that cult might (ok, BIG might) actually get them to understand the members of that cult have nothing in common with western ideals. As such, working with them for ‘peace and harmony’ is counterproductive. The prime example for this is the Israel/Palestinian BS peace talks held over the years. Countries can make peace…peoples cannot. It has never dawned on anyone who tries these negotiations that Palestinians are merely a subset of Arab peoples that have NEVER had a country/state of their own.

        Sorry for the wandering comment…sometimes my fingers take control 😉

      • Natassia says :

        PhyCon,

        Oh dear, don’t get me started on the Roman Catholic Church’s trend of a multiculturalist/universalist attitudes towards Islam. Check out how Muslims are interpreting it.

        What the Church has done is given legitimacy to the claims of Muhammad: that he was a prophet and that the god he worshiped was the same God of the Jews and Christians. They have done this by equating the god of the Muslims with the God of the Church. This is competely wrong. The Allah of the Koran is not the YHWH of the Bible. It would be like the Babylonians telling the Jews, “We worship the same God as you. We just call him Baal.”

        Do you remember that debacle a couple years ago that had the latest Pope facing death threats from Muslims for something he said in a speech? And how did he respond? He apologized…thereby giving legitimacy to the lunatic outrage expressed by Muslims whose sensitive sensibilities had been offended.

        Jesus is more than just a “minor” prophet to Muslims. He is the ONLY prophet to have been taken directly to heaven by Allah. In fact, even Muhammad is still sleeping in his grave, waiting for the day he will be resurrected and taken to Jannah. And they believe Jesus is the one who will come down to earth, fight the anti-Christ, break the cross, kill the pig, and usher in the day of judgment. — And that’s the Sunni stance, by the way (which is approx. 90% of the Muslims in the world.)

        Arabs claim that Ishmael is their ancestor. Is he really? Eh, there are a lot of assumptions but zero practical evidence. And whereas some people call the LDS a “Christian church” many Christians call it what it is: a cult. Words matter, and I think people fail to realize how they give legitimacy to lies simply by the words they use to describe them.

        What I take issue with is how our society has strayed so far from acknowledging that there even is an absolute truth. There is no clarity anymore. To even say that there is an absolute truth is to be exclusionary, bigoted, and close-minded. If Christ is in fact the way, the truth, and the life than anyone else who comes along and claims otherwise is teaching a falsehood–Muhammad included. And this would mean that the imams are teaching lies, and that their god is a god of lies. We cannot judge the hearts of individual Muslims, who may very well be seeking a spiritual connection with the one true God, but we can judge false teachings. And Islam is a false teaching, and it would be extremely helpful if the RCC would take a public and offical stance on this.

        EDIT by the Wanderer: I just want to apologize for it taking so long for this to get approved… it got hung up in the spam folder and, unlike moderated comments, WordPress doesn’t email me when it tosses things into spam. My sincerest apologies, I will do what I can to keep it from happening again.

  3. PhyCon says :

    Valid points on both sides, I’m afraid. My initial reaction to hearing about the pastor’s plans was, “Wonder when the fatwa will be issued for his death?” Note, I didn’t think anything about the concept of ‘book burning’ or even the probable universal backlash from the muslim world.

    Personally, I think he has already made his point without actually burning the book. What I’d LOVE to see is someone out there (preferably not attached to any particular faith) repeat most of the offensive ‘artistic displays’ Christians have had to deal with. Put the Koran into a pickle jar of (pig’s?) urine (for the faint-hearted, lable the jar “pig’s urine” but don’t actually immerse the book…in fact, photoshop could be used to keep anyone’s hands for getting “dirty”). Then, watch the uproar in the wider world and the issuances of fatwas. Of course the person doing such a deed would need to keep copious documentation showing exactly what traspired which could be revealed when the furor reached it’s peak.

  4. joxan says :

    PhyCon, you seem like an intellegent person. You said “3) Islam is indeed an Abrahamic faith…but only in about the same degree as the LDS (Mormons) are a Christian faith.” You did research to know that Mormons are a false religion. You being RC with in-depth proper research as I have done being an ex-RC who quit, should know that RC is also a false religion full of errors(mixed with truth). There are many errors, but only one example(many more) and a prominent error is contacting the dead(people) other that Jesus is a great mistake. Contacting and asking dead people(Mary and Saints) to “pray for me”, and also trying to contact-asking dead Saint Anthony to ‘help find lost objects’, and other dead Saints(people) assigned to other things as well. Even without Duet: 18: end of 11 & beginning of 12; telling us this is wrong, it is still a very wrong practise to contact the dead.

    Anyway getting back to the orignal topic. I do ‘not’ agree with the Koran burning in Florida by that Pastor. But it is a big hypocritical double standard when President Barack Obama, Prime Minister Stephen Harper, etc. speak out against this, condemning this which they should do, ‘but’ nothing(not a word) is said by world leaders in public condemning the jailing of people caught with one, banning, confiscation, and/or destruction of Christian Bibles in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Gaza, North Korea, Bhutan, Myanmar, etc.

    In case you did not know Christian Bibles are banned by law by the Saudi Arabian government(and some other governments). If a person is caught in public with a Christian Bible it is taken away(confiscated) and person can be charged with an offence by the government there.

    Where is the condemning of this also in public by Presidents, Prime Ministers, etc.? It ‘is’ a big hypocritical double standard by world leaders!

    • Natassia says :

      The Presidents, Prime Ministers, etc. are terrified of Islam, but not of Christianity. That’s why there is a hypocritical double standard.

      The terrorists have succeeded in terrorizing our leaders into submitting to Islam…which is evident by their cowering display over Koran burnings in Florida.

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